You do realize that when ore prices drop, so does the cost of a whole bunch of other stuff?

That's not true at all. Stop being alarmist. Highsec miners will be just fine. Highsec ice miners stand to make pretty good profits.

And you base this on what, exactly?

Highsec miners are going to go extinct based on some probably minor decrease in profitability that they didn't even have before the drone loot nerf anyway?
Highsec ice fields becoming scarcer somehow wouldn't equate to a large boost in the cost of ice which would entice players even more to seek out ice systems and mine them for themselves?

As always pubbies don't look at the big picture.

Holy ****, 90%? If I didn't have more than four working brain cells I wouldn't have been able to tell that you had pulled that out of your ass.

Maybe you should read the changes more carefully. How would seeking not have anything to do with it? Going around systems that spawn ice belts looking for one that currently has a spawn is not seeking?

Actually, I think that with this change, regular High-Sec miners will get a boost as well, not just the Ice-miners. I mean, gravimetric sites are gone: so all these specific ore asteroid fields are going to come up as anomalies. Although the low-sec ore will appear in high-sec at the same rate it does now, it does provide high-sec miners an easier way to find it: simply use the built-in scan to find them.

The only downside for miners? The price for Tritanium, Pyerite, and Mexallon will probably drop. But the price for the low-sec ore will rise. Not sure if its going to balance each other out, but it's not all bad.

Except of course....the fact that you're now never safe as a miner and need to... dare I say it... tank your mining vessel?

Can you tell me what's going on here ?
Did i miss anything ? Why should regular ore mining suddenly stop/be reduced ?

Welp, then maybe you should just quit. Can I have your stuff?

Yeah, I'm sure there are enough ice miners in highsec to camp every single ice system and deplete every ice belt every 15 minutes.

ITT: EvE is the only game where people feel so entitled when they choose to live in the starting area.

Don't make me laugh. If you think nullsec is "overbuffed" and a great place to make isk mining then you're in for a really rude awakening.

You think this based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. You're just being an alarmist fearmonger.

So you've tried it, then, I take it?

Paaaaahlease.

Everyone knows that it is "more ships wins".

Oh it's evidence.
It's just not evidence that supports any of his cataclysmic predictions.

please explain the analytical process that makes "we're adding 71k trit to a batch of spod" turn in to "OMG HIGH SEC MINING IZ DEAD GUYZ".

I'd love to hear this enchanted fairy tale of woe and struggle.

I'll buy all the trit you want to sell at 0.6 ISK/pu

ooo if everyone else stops mining like the OP suggests then there will be more rocks for me

More like RIP wormhole mining.

So is the rest of Eve.

If the OP would just calm down a bit and think about it, he will understand that what CCP is doing is restricting supply of ice.
Ice mining changes is a buff, not a nerf

That supply is provided in large part by high-sec today. There are vast networks of POS:es in null, all those Tech-moon mining poses for instance, that require a constant supply of fuel. In addition the whole of the cap ship fleets depend on ice products that are imported from high sec today, and which will be imported from high sec in two months time still - except at a higher price.

The pressure on High Sec ice will continue to be high. Except now there is a restricted supply. Prices will go up and up and up. There won't be that many more ice-miners in null-sec either if you think about what is also coming; the change to how the ice belts are placed coupled with the change to 'warp to zero on ice miners'. CCP has just given a new method to screw with alliances. If their ice systems are camped, they won't mine.

If they are desensitised to afk cloakers in the minings systems and start to mine, they will die horribly. If I wanted to shut an alliance down, I would certainly perma cloak in their ice systems and have black ops ships on standby. This time the afk cloaking wouldn't just deny individual members isk, it would also be a strategic warfare thing to deny the target alliance their capital ship fuel and their POS fuel. Oh yes. To prevent this, many members would be tied down in watching over the miners. There are so many sweet things going that I'm dizzy.

So, this is why high sec will still supply the vast bulk of ice. But at a much higher price. So, it is a buff. Not a nerf. And if you would think beyond your immediate agenda, you would see this. It's like always with CCP. Be careful what you ask for, you may very well get it.

Oh, and buy Amarr towers and Amarr caps. There's a pro-market tip for you.

But you are forgetting that there will ALSO be a cap on the amount of ice in High Sec to 80 percent of consumption. There will be a permanent shortage. Shortages leads to increased prices. People in High Sec will mine ice, all the ice, every gram of ice, and there will still be a large shortage.

Just shoot the other miners. All it takes is a couple of catalysts and some blasters. Now you get it all for yourself.

Oh come on, you guys knew it comining since forever. Harden up and adapt to the new changes.

War Dec them or start bringing logistics to ice belts to prevent ganks.

Highsec mining will be fine.

Mynna is telling me that hi-sec ice mining is going to be upwards of 40M/hr

"Oh god the horrror, my income is going to be 6x higher, CCP why must you torment us in this way?"

you know exactly where the ice will be, as a miner you always have this really crazy option of mining ore until the ice sites respawn.

if you're not sure how you do this then you dock in a station, remove your ice harvesters and ice harvester upgrades, and replace them with strip miners and mining laser upgrades, then you undock and warp to an asteroid belt, from there it's pretty much the same as ice mining.

why would you be 5 mins late? nothing stops you spamming the scanner and i'm damn sure it doesn't have a 5 min cooldown.

worried about catalysts... mine in a skiff. ain't nobody suicide ganking that without a LOT of accounts, or a lot of isk in bigger ships to the point where it's more profitable to just ignore you and have those suicide gankers in mining ships.

would you like some cheese?

i know right? mining ore like some kind of savage. positively primitive.

Oh noes competition for resources in a primarily PvP game.

If you want it enough and somebody else has it then take it from them, game mechanics are already in place for doing so. You can wardec them, or if they're in NPC corps, suicide gank them with alts to take what you feel is yours.

"you get Trit around 4 isk/unit, Pyerite at 7, Mexallon around 35, and Isogen at about 90. Nocxium, Zydrine and Megacyte look about as they do now." ~ mynnna's prediction on mineral prices, taken from his latest TMC article.

no it's not, it's a very realistic one.

you heard it here first guys. 3m/isk hour less will RUIN high sec mining.
do you actually read what you type before you hit post?

In any way ...

Completely ignoring what i have learned from dave,
namely that no matter what minerals are worth,
miners actually always make the same amount of money relative to what everything else costs ...
(did i say that the right way ?)

If the masses of miners were smart. they'd hide suicide gankers to get rid of competition ...
... but sadly, only a few actually are smart ...

Miners used to get 2 isk/unit Trit when I started out in EVE. The hulk was at 145m back then. Somehow they did not perish.

I totally fail to understand your logic.

Dave's a miner. Dave taught me that it's completely irrelevant if a miner makes one, three, five, twelve isk per [mineral],
because prices of all the things build with [mineral] will go up/down accordingly,
meaning that the miner actually always makes the same value of money.

I just fail to explain it in a way that makes sense.

Anyway, there is no reason to believe that mining will die out. If supply really goes down,
there will be more people mining, because the prices will go up. And, even if that won't happen so fast,
once everything got cheaper, miners will start mining simply because it's worth it,
compared to what everything else costs.

The market for highsec minerals isn't just nullsec.

Where the frak do you think those mining boats you keep losing come from?

All those mission runners need to keep buying ammo and drones, too.

and you've produced no evidence to support your outlandish claim.

especially when i've just showed you that the estimated impact is 3m/hour and a switch from scord to pyro.

really, what rats are you killing that are dropping scourge fury heavy missiles?

Not that is what is going to happen, why is this a bad thing?

Ice miners will mine out the new fields, and hopefully the fact that Ice will now deplete as it's mined will generate some interactivity and conflict in that activity. Ore miners will carry on as usual, belts will still exist, and Gravs will require less effort to find. It'll be business as usual.

Prices won't drop at all since null bears won't have their alts in HS mining them. Supply will go down, but the demand will also go down since Null will no longer need to use our ores.

What is really going to be ****** up from all of this is high end ore prices. I believe null will no longer be bringing them up to HS since they will be completely self sufficient from an industrial point of view.


HUGE mistake by CCP. huge.

So people would have to leave highsec every once in a while, this is progress

yes it is, the gates are open.

Believing that RL time issues keep people from playing in lowsec just displays how bad you are at this game ...
... but your post sounds more like a lie anyway.

Why not?. CVA space is NRDS, that's a non highsec option for any miner that wants a piece of the new nullsec ores.

i thought so.

so what's stopping you going to null sec, making friends with the local mining fleet, and informing them you have to be semi afk for whatever reason and if they could fleet warp you to a pos when local flashes you'd be grateful?

failing that, losing a 40m retriever isn't that much of a wallet hit.

you don't rig a retriever, none increase yield.
and 3% mining implants don't cost 100m.

OP fails to understand that the only lock on lowsec gates is himself.

you've never been through a high sec-low sec gate, have you?
you've just heard the bad man lives on the other side, and pissed yourself. right?

GǪwhich takes all of 200M SP to defeat and 20M to have a slightest chance to avoid.

No. You don't have enough PvP experience to PvP yet. SP is not a factor. The only way to get that PvP experience is to PvP. Waiting for your SP to accumulate will just mean that you never have enough experience.

Actually fixed. Of course, since you have no PvP experience, you don't know this and have to invent nonsense here just like with all of you other claims.

Sure, but that's not why it doesn't work. The reason it doesn't work is that waiting for SP doesn't give you what you need: PvP experience.

Funnily enough, PvP experience is something that is better accumulated with absolutely minute amounts of SP, which means that the effect is pretty much the exact opposite of what you've been tricked into believing.

Mu. I know it's hard to accept that what you've been hearing is a lie, but that's just something you'll have to accept.

Your problem isn't that you have too little SP GÇö it's that everyone else already have too much.

Fixed.

GǪyou can always play better, smarter, and/or with more numbers. SP won't help them in the slightest against those.

Haha, funny. Have you heard of the corporation I'm in, Basil? We've been 'setting ourselves back' to the tune of awesome fights and grand adventure.

This guy seems to be trolling, but to anyone else reading this it is never too late to get into player vs player combat in EVE.

Where do you get this? Ships and weapons have a skill cap, 90% of an older players SP are completely useless if he's flying a frigate or any other ship. Only the skills that are relevant to the ship and its modules are used, every other skill may as well not exist, the same for the SP invested in them.

Here's an exercise for you: I have 112M SP. Take a moment to figure out how many SP you need to beat me.

So play smarter: don't be in the same frigate. Use something that kills that frigate in a heartbeat using a fraction of the SP.

Also, you didn't do the exercise. Hop to it. Chop-chop. How many SP do you need to beat me?

Anyway, the demand for ice is extant, and not going away. Cost will rise until the playerbase responds -If the iskies are there, so will be the miners.

You know you can always move your miners to nullsec now.

With the changes coming I think miners will be in demand in nullsec.

This will be a major boost to industry in nullsec (beyond building capital ships and combat boosters)

Just looking at Tippia, maybe 2mill to beat, tops. From a quick glance, her most effective combat ship would be some version of T3 cruiser. You don't need a whole lot to tear down a T3, just some intelligence about game mechanics.

What do you base this assertion on?

So you're at 700k SP now. That means the full 2M is about a month away. That's not GÇ£a few more yearsGÇ¥, just fyi.

Most of the time, you'll find me in an interceptor or a blockade runner. They can both be tricky to catch, but beyond that, they'll fall apart to a n00bship.

Can you fit a tank? can you shoot guns or missiles? can you fly a frigate/destroyer/cruiser? if so you already a fair chunk covered, those skill people train up so that they can tank or shoot rats, they matter in PvP, as do most of the other core skills required to fly most ships, including industrials. There's a huge crossover between PvE and PvP when it comes to skills, you just fail to realise it.

Indeed they are, but the question was: what is it based on?
GǪwhich won't make any difference, and you'll still only need 2M total to beat me. So no, it's still just a month.

You can only put so much SP into any one ship.